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So, at a past convention in Hamburg, Germany in mid-June we held a tournament. A little research revealed that there doesn't seem to be any other tournament at contentions (or otherwise publically accessible) in Germany. Does this mean we just crowned the German champion? It seems so.

Further research revealed no tournaments in Europe or even the U.S., the latter of which seem most active in all things Artemis SBS. Could this be right? If so, the World Champion in Artemis SBS is a German crew. Take that, world! [rofl]
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In fairness, we have held a competition at the last two Artemis Armadas, to see who could post the highest score on Dawn Patrol.  I believe that counts as a tournament of sorts 😉 (TSN Gungnir currently holds the record score, the specifics of which escape me.)

If you're talking about a PVP tournament specifically, then I don't know of any offhand.

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In fairness, we have held a competition at the last two Artemis Armadas, to see who could post the highest score on Dawn Patrol.  I believe that counts as a tournament of sorts 😉 (TSN Gungnir currently holds the record score, the specifics of which escape me.)

I assume this is a mission. Could you provide a link so I can download it?

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If you're talking about a PVP tournament specifically, then I don't know of any offhand.

Yes, we held a PvP tournament, 1 on 1 with both a winner and a loser bracket.
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Correct, it was one of the video missions released around Armada 3: Aces and Outlaws.  I don't know if it ever received a general release, though - I'll ask around.

I think we had a few PvP games at Armada 2 maybe, but I don't think the game handled it all that well at the time 😋 Certainly nothing organized.  I think the German title currently holds 😉

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I think we had a few PvP games at Armada 2 maybe, but I don't think the game handled it all that well at the time 😋 Certainly nothing organized.  I think the German title currently holds 😉

It seems the World Champion in Artemis SBS is German, while the crew of the TSN Gungnir holds the world record in Dawn Patrol. 😋
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If we want to get picky, the World Champ in Artemis SBS PvP is German, while the World Champ in Artemis SBS Dawn Patrol is the TSN Gungnir 😋  

What about Artemis SBS Level 11 Invasion, Seige Mode, All sliders set to Max?

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What about Artemis SBS Level 11 Invasion, Seige Mode, All sliders set to Max?

That sounds like a cool thing to try. However, Artemis scenarios are highly inconsistent as far as starting conditions are concerned. You might spawn in a minefield (two player ships did during this year's convention), there might be Skaraan elite ships spawning practically on top of your bases (which happened three times), or a base might spawn within the destructive range of spawned minefields (so anyone, friend or foe, getting too close to the base will detonate them and possibly destroy the base). To me, that doesn't sound like a fair skill test.
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Hmm.... Maybe all Sliders set to 0 then - no allies, no monsters, no minefields.  Set it to Double Front, so all your assets are gathered in the corner.  Still randomized, but more consistent.
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Hmm.... Maybe all Sliders set to 0 then - no allies, no monsters, no minefields.  Set it to Double Front, so all your assets are gathered in the corner.  Still randomized, but more consistent.


Hm. This might be a good use for David Trinh's NginEcho script. Once a script is generated, it should produce the same sector every time it is run. The only caveat is, you are limited to the NginEcho mission objectives, instead of running a standard invasion scenario.

I wonder if I should try and come up with a variant on my Sector Generator script. The script is designed to generate a random sector each time, but if I used Trinh's method of using an app to randomly generate the script, the results would be random, but could be reproduced each time the same script is run. (As an additional advantage, I could add customization sliders to give it the same range of options as the standard game modes)

My old idea of using a "seed" to generate the sector would also work, but at this time there is no way to initialize Artemis's RNG. Likewise, since we can't save or load data in a script file, we can't save or load a sector at this time either. That limits our options to reuse a sector layout, unfortunately.

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the World Champ in Artemis SBS Dawn Patrol is the TSN Gungnir 😋 


I like that 😃

Though, yes, I would agree that my favored way to do a tournament is a scripted mission with a scoring method. I do like to see how good my crew is in something head to head, but I don't really enjoy PvP and my crew doesn't really train that way :/



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I do like to see how good my crew is in something head to head, but I don't really enjoy PvP and my crew doesn't really train that way :/

Some of the crews that participated had only learned to play Artemis a few hours prior using coop scenarios (so several player ships joining forces against AI), and almost all of them don't play regularly. Most of the crews that signed up had played together during this year's convention and didn't really know each other outside of that. Regardless, they all did relatively well despite their lack of experience with the software and each other. So don't sell yourself short. [wink]

What I enjoy most about the PvP battles is that it really boils down to how well you can adapt to an enemy that can do exactly what you can do. Let's be honest and admit that enemies in scripted missions, regardless of how well they might be scripted, will always be sub-par for human standards because their ships are slower and less powerful than your own, and the AI is pretty stupid on top of that.

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