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Freeman

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I am relatively new here, but I  have a bridge in Phoenix AZ.  You all  have some good stuff here posted for read and support, and are  well of knowledge in this. I myself am starting off this on endeavor (still proverbially wet behind the ears with Artemis).  This question I have is for the developer, and for all of us.  For the developer would you  consider  starting a Patreon.  And for the people out here, would you be willing to put up  something if we had a patreon group for the game.   Just like with normal patreon,  the rewords would be based off the amount the person is paying a month. Is there anyone else out there who would be willing to join the patreon support him monthly in return for whatever reward tier that is there for the support?
If you are thinking, I would be glad to help you brainstorm the tiers of support, and offer ideas.  as well as others in the group as well.
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I like this idea. Thom continues to work hard to support the game and build new features all the time. I promote the game to new players, but the licenses for my own copies are quite old at this point.
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I dont know if this has even been discussed as an option for Thom,  But he created Artemis, and  continues to support it by patching and making it better.  Does he have to (that is up for him to decide) at what point does he say its done. Or at what point he says I am done with Artemis, Now i am working on Artemis 2)  But anyhow, what would be cool if if the patreon  somehow could give him a financial reward, or incentive or support to make a great game even better. And as a Patreon supporter, heck they get to get a ship named after them,  A Star system named after them, or even a space mine (the Freeman Mk2 space mine for example)  either way that is just some kind of incentive for people to want to support the Patreon for this game. I am just wanting to bring an option to light maybe we can bring something that will may make a great thing even better.   Other developers are doing  it becuuse there are people who play and believe in the game or games they are putting out or making  better.   Has this been considered with Artemis and the support for it ?
https://www.patreon.com/blackthornprod

https://www.patreon.com/gametrep

https://www.patreon.com/bay12games


this guy you would just have to guestimate the math            
https://www.patreon.com/ShadyPenguinn

 
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There is a sort of secret private newsletter sent out by C.H.A.R.L.E.E., an A.I. that is trapped on Thom's hard drive that watches everything Thom does. I am a member of the Friends of C.H.A.R.L.E.E. club, and in the last edition he mentioned how friends could subscribe:

"If yer pal wants to join the "Friends of CHARLEE" club, have them email (techbear@gmail.com) with the subject SUBSCRIBE or JOIN or LET ME IN YOU STUPID ROBOT. same deal."

In the latest newsletter he mentioned that Thom is working on an Artemis facemaker dress up game and included a link for downloading the prototype game. It also talked about all the other projects Thom is working on.

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I will say, with embarrassment that comes of knowing you should do more, that for a while I've been thinking that this is something that I should be paying money to on a more regular basis.

I've, also, been playing since way back in the V1 days. When V2 came out, I bought a second license, just because I felt like I'd gotten so much out of the game already.

But at this point, SBS_2 was about 6 years ago.

There are many things that the internet age has made "free" by the sheer fact that it's available and it's easy to not pay. And Thom has been an absolute rockstar by making the game (I'm assuming) essentially for free, if not at a loss, and having the whole thing wide open for usage by the community.

As far as Patreon goes, I think that it's very good for micro financing in a way that is a little more painless for patrons and in line with how we have been trained to pay for expensive stuff. I would not have rewards beyond the license that comes from being a supporter. It is more than worth the cost of admission, period.

To be completely fair, I think that patreon should be used (Bridge Tools should be in there too, BTW) and Thom should be charging for the version updates. Bill Gates did with all his OS, even when they didn't work.

I know it's tough to ask for money from people and as I lead off, I'm embarrassed to not have given any more than what was asked of me, but I also know what I've spent on equipment, bridge supplies, party concessions, etc, etc, etc... and it's a lot of fracking money.

Maybe it really is time to start talking about how the community could be more responsible with it's involvement in the on going project.

I'm open to thoughts.

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I am totally with you, I don't know Patreon and I don't know if I will (be allowed to [wink] ) spend money. But I would consider it.

I am excitedly (is this a real word?) waiting for a newer version of the game. And I will pay (gladly) for Version 3.0 as I paid for 1.0 and 2.0.



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I did discuss with Thom the idea of doing something with Patreon back in June. However, he was lukewarm on the idea... not because he doesn't appreciate all the interest and support from his fans, but more because of how his creative process works. I got the impression he wasn't entirely comfortable with the idea that he might have to create content just for his Patreon subscribers, particularly when dealing with a Muse that tends to drag him down dark alleyways in random directions without warning. He's usually a one-man operation, and I think the distraction of dealing with Patreon would take him away from the coding. Becoming a friend of C.H.A.R.L.E.E. would be a better way to get an idea of what Thom is working on. 

That being said... if you do want to support Thom by putting money in his pocket, there's an easy way to do that. He just released a new game on Steam for $9.99: Sort Battle Dungeon.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118870/Sort_Battle_Dungeon/

Review/Warning: It is very addictive. You will lose about 2-3 days stacking up monsters and mowing them down.

Thom also designed Sort Battle Dungeon to be very moddable. If you want a sneak peek at what Thom is trying to do with Artemis 3.0, then you can see the basic skeleton of that in Sort Battle Dungeon, as far as how he's structured the game assets, config files, PYTHON script, etc.
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Thanks for the update, Darrin!

I am going to pick that game up right now.

I will say, as someone who uses Patreon for podcasts, etc: I understand that in a large, free content market where you have to constantly be battling against content binge and a ton of competition, you have to offer perks to get casual participants to pony up anything.

However, most of the productions I support are more because a) I can, and b) because you have to support the things that you are really passionate about or they go away.

At the same time, it's tough to remember and follow through on buying a new "copy" of the Artemis license every couple months to keep things going.  People are tempted to take what's free, even when they know they should be paying something for the privilege (see NPR's fundraisers as a model).

Even if everyone active in the game game a few dollars a month, I'm guessing it would produce a fairly impressive revenue stream.

Hell, make the Patreon perk be the same installation file that you get for buying the game now... a shareable, Wheton protected installation file. 

Make it a "pay what you can"... in my experience I've found that if you ask for what you need, you might find that what is unattainable to you is marginal to others.

At the same time, after my original post to make charging portal that I wouldn't have to think about, I've done nothing to give more, so I'm going to buy a couple extra "licenses" now.

I've seen a number of posts on these forums about the quality of the people that are involved with this game and the community surrounding it. I don't get the feeling that there are many people involved in this game that are in it for the "perks" or the "money". The excessive generosity that I see throughout every aspect of this group leads me to believe that giving to the cause will reap rewards regardless of claim or program.

I am still very pro Patreon for this. No rewards, unless you want to make the game available to patrons. I'll put it here, set up a Patreon account. No reward and I will subscribe.

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