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Valkea

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Hello,

I'm about to buy the Artemis license but I have few "technical" questions in order to be sure I can create a spaceship crew with my friends.

First of all, if I buy the PC licence and run it on let say 3 computers, can we also run the iOS and the Android versions on 2 or 3 other devices and join the same bridge (hosted on a PC) ?

I ask the question because I saw on the Android app page and on the iOS app page some people saying they were unable to join party hosted on PC. So, do we have to get the same specific version in order to run or is there really some problems with either the android or the iOS versions?

Also, beside the connexion problem, is there some glitches I should know about those Android and iOS versions? I'm trying to convert my role playing game group to play some Artemis games, but if everything goes wrong at the first try it won't help to convince them [wink]

Finally do I have to buy separate licences for Android and iOS or is there a way to use the main PC licence to get the apps?

Thank you,
Valkea
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There is a lot to cover on this, but here goes.
You can use Android with PC. The most current commercial version of Artemis for PC is 2.1.1, this will work with the Android and ios version which is 2.1.0. You will get a version mismatch error, but just click ok, it will still work. There are other PC versions available that are kinda in beta testing, ver 2.1.5 and version 2.1.9; these are NOT compatible with the Android or ios Artemis, so don't use them if your planning on using tablets.

ios issues: there has been some issues with current ios version not being able to run Artemis. This is a known issue, people are working on it, but there really isn't any kind of time frame for a fix that I am aware of. So if someone is using a new Ipad, it may not work.

License: the PC license is different than a mobile license. If you have steam, the game is $7, on android and ios it is $3. If you want to play with all three, you will have to buy all three....or rather the people playing on tablets will have to.

In game errors; if you use a tablet as a mainscreen you will not be able to see some space stations, I don't know why. This is only an issue if you use an Android or ios device as a mainscreen, it does not effect the station interface. Additionally, there are a lot of cool mods out there for Artemis, Android and ios are not compatible with mods; so you will have to run the basic game when using them....which is still a lot of fun [wink]

Apple computers: There are also ways to run the PC version of Artemis on Apple computers, just as an FYI

Finally on a personal experience note; using tablets is a great and easy way to get into the game. If someone has a tablet, they can carry everything they need in their pocket, the touchscreen interface is super intuitive and their is minimal set up time. That being said, your best experience is going to be with PCs. My group started with using all tablets with a PC server and had a great time with it; However there were minor bugs in the game, tablets would occasionally crash out and there were lagging issues on games above lvl 5.
So if you end up really getting into the game, like so many of us have, and decide to invest money into equipment to play artemis exclusively, I would suggest investing towards the PC side of things rather than tablets (windows 8 tablets seem to work pretty well). My crew and I are all using PCS now and we have a lot more fun with the game; I also wish I could get back the hundreds of dollars I spent on my "portability" phase [wink]

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Thank you so much for your answer and all the details.
It answers everything I was asking for and much more.

I didn't even knew there was a steam version. Is there any difference between the version I can buy straight on the artemis website and the 6 pack steam version?

I saw, we can re-affect the licence if a team-mate change on the road to alpha century when using the non steam version. Is it the case with the steam version? (I tend to think it is not the case, but hopefully I'm wrong)
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saw, we can re-affect the licence if a team-mate change on the road to alpha century when using the non steam version. Is it the case with the steam version? (I tend to think it is not the case, but hopefully I'm wrong)


I don't know what you mean by this...

There is not any difference between the steam version and the version bought on the website that I am aware of except that it is for a single user rather than a full bridge. I like it because steam auto updates and I know I will always have a vanilla copy of the game. It is a little wierd because if you want to run two instances of the game (which is common) you will have to click on the exe file inside the game folder rather than the icon on steam; Steam won't allow mulitple instances of the same game run at the same time.

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Tablet version is 2.1.0 and plays well with PC version 2.1.1...... except 2.1.1 introduced new space stations that 2.1.0 does not have the graphics for.

SO if you use tablet as main screen it can't show you the new stations (except for the deep space station which is the original one)

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saw, we can re-affect the licence if a team-mate change on the road to alpha century when using the non steam version. Is it the case with the steam version? (I tend to think it is not the case, but hopefully I'm wrong)
I don't know what you mean by this... There is not any difference between the steam version and the version bought on the website that I am aware of except that it is for a single user rather than a full bridge. I like it because steam auto updates and I know I will always have a vanilla copy of the game. It is a little wierd because if you want to run two instances of the game (which is common) you will have to click on the exe file inside the game folder rather than the icon on steam; Steam won't allow mulitple instances of the same game run at the same time.


Sorry if it was unclear (I tried to mix my average English skill with some humour and obviously it doesn't works ^^).

So I was referring to this entry of the FAQ page:
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Q: The bridge license is for up to 6 computers, but I’ve put the game on 6 computers, and now a new buddy is replacing an old one. How can the new buddy play without breaking the 6 computer limit?

A: there's no copy protection or complicated systems or limits. I just ask that you share with your bridge crew, and not the whole world. It's okay to install your purchased game on any computer that makes up your crew. But if your crew member takes that copy and starts her own bridge crew, you should encourage her to buy her own copy

 
I'm leaning to use Steam because of the easy update system, but I tend to think that Steam will give me 6 licence to share with friends through Steam and thus once shared the licences will be locked to their Steam account. So I guess I won't be able to move one licence to another team member if someone leaves for any reason. (it's all about the 6 pack offer on steam, not about the solo licence indeed)

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Thank you, it is useful to know this.


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was just going to answer the Steam question when you answered it yourself [smile]

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I'm leaning to use Steam because of the easy update system, but I tend to think that Steam will give me 6 licence to share with friends through Steam and thus once shared the licences will be locked to their Steam account. So I guess I won't be able to move one licence to another team member if someone leaves for any reason. (it's all about the 6 pack offer on steam, not about the solo licence indeed)


With Steam, you activate the license per user or rather per account. If one member of the crew leaves you, he'll keep his steam account, especially if he has other games on it. The new crew member would have to buy the game for $7 (which is around what you'd pay for a movie ticket - but Artemis is more fun, has more social interaction and lasts longer than a 2 hour movie)
Technically, you could make "dummy" steam accounts which only have the Artemis game and if a crew member gets reassigned to another quadrant, you can keep the steam account and look for someone else to fill the spot.

If you have a feeling there will be a lot of rotation in your bridge crew or 8 players but only 5-6 are active on any given date, I'd suggest the Bridge License. But then again, an additional steam license is only seven bucks so it is rather a matter of personal taste than any real advantage. (besides auto-update)

edit: and as was already mentioned: always take the PC version! you won't always be able to get android and/or iOS to work with the game, when a new Version gets out and Steam auto-updates, it could be some time until the update gets through the app store. And the Mods are awesome - and won't work on android/iOS since you have to overwrite some game files. But then you get StarTrek TNG, StarTrek TMP and StarTrek TOS . There's also Battlestar Galactica, but I think it's for v2.0?
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AH, ok, I understand now.

Just to add to what Schokomuffin said

yes, if you buy the steam 6-pack ($35) it gives you a total of 6 licenses. these licenses can be gifted to other people with a Steam account, but once they are all given away you cant give out anymore.

That being said; if you copy the Artemis folder to another computer, Artemis independently of Steam on that computer. I will occasionally do this for people trying the game out for the first time and then have them delete it afterwards or buy the game if they continue playing it.

There is also a Demo version on the the Artemis mainpage under downloads that will let you play as Weapons or Helm

http://www.artemis.eochu.com/?page_id=35

In this way you can invite people to play with you that don't have the game, but they aren't stealing the game. So in this way you can shift copies of the game around a little.

making multiple copies of the game on your own computer can also be a good way to keep track of mods. I have around 7 or so copies of Artemis on my computer all with different mods [smile]


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I'll just add that the Steam version of Artemis is NOT restricted by DRM of any kind. You can copy or move the folder (it's buried in the SteamApps folder) elsewhere and the game will run without Steam being active or even installed. The "retail" version is the same way. Though doing this with the Steam version is probably a violation of the license agreement. YMMV!
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making multiple copies of the game on your own computer can also be a good way to keep track of mods. I have around 7 or so copies of Artemis on my computer all with different mods [smile]


That's what I do. And I also copy the game (modded or vanilla) that I want to play with all missions on a usb thumb drive. That way, when I have friends over I have guarantees everyone has the same game, same mod, same missions, same everything. Avoids issues with different versions of the game floating around or someone having tried out a mod and needing a fresh install before we start.
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I think I will go with a 6 pack license on Steam and see what happens next [wink]
I use PCs but it looks like my friends use lots of IPad and Mac so I hope everything will be fine.

Anyway, thank you so much for your answers. It really helped me [smile]
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