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Sorry guys I cant stop talking about this con. 

I have to admit, I was a little disappointed when it was announced that the MM & Live Missions were, in a manner, replacing the conicals, rp and Larp. My crews were always very active in the conical, rp and larp missions. I must say as much as I loved doing them, I did not miss them! The MM and live mission still filled that time and joy I got from from the conicals. Not only was it fun doing a quick 10 to 15 minute but the a/v team was able to give us a flash drive with the recording on it. I also was a player in the MM. The prep time, practicing and performance fun and exciting. I still got that rush I had from doing the conical. I did not hear anyone say "the MM was nice but I really missed doing the conical."


It would be nice to have both all of in the con but the con is only so big. There are only so many staff and volunteers. I have been at all 4 Armadas. I have been playing for 4 plus years. I would like to know what the rest think. Do you prefer one over the other?


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Adam, glad you had a good time! 
To answer your question, no.  I'm there to meet people and play the game, so I have no preferences on this matter.   

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Adam, thanks for starting this discussion.

I also did not miss the other events you mentioned. Like GreyBeard, I come to Armada to meet people and play the game. Therefore, I try to maximize my time in the main ballroom. Also, since I bring a custom-designed bridge, I am trying to maximize my time playing with other people on my bridge. I had a great time this year (2nd Armada for me) and am definitely looking forward to doing it again.

Regarding the Murder Mystery -- I thought it was extremely well executed and a perfect lead-in to the big battle. The conclusion of the murder drama and the PA sending us all to our ships to fight the big battle was pitch-perfect and made for a memorable evening. It was a very skillful way to draw everyone into the story. Also, I loved your part in the performance -- even the movement of the knit tentacles punctuated each bellicose line! So much fun!

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Adam, thanks for starting this discussion.

I also did not miss the other events you mentioned. Like GreyBeard, I come to Armada to meet people and play the game. Therefore, I try to maximize my time in the main ballroom. Also, since I bring a custom-designed bridge, I am trying to maximize my time playing with other people on my bridge. I had a great time this year (2nd Armada for me) and am definitely looking forward to doing it again.

Regarding the Murder Mystery -- I thought it was extremely well executed and a perfect lead-in to the big battle. The conclusion of the murder drama and the PA sending us all to our ships to fight the big battle was pitch-perfect and made for a memorable evening. It was a very skillful way to draw everyone into the story. Also, I loved your part in the performance -- even the movement of the knit tentacles punctuated each bellicose line! So much fun!



Thanks so much for the kind words. One of the thing I do regret is not playing more on your bridge. It looked like you ripped the consoles from an actual starship! I am glad Armada is more of an social event for most people. It really is for me to. I mostly play Artemis online. So I don't to share a meal or give a high five to my crew mates on a regular basis. For those of you who do, cherish that! Not everyone has that privilege.

I go to cons to do things I cant do at home. Stuff like the MM and live missions is what I have no problem spending good money on.

Who else has things to share? Good or bad.

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Thanks so much for the kind words. One of the thing I do regret is not playing more on your bridge. It looked like you ripped the consoles from an actual starship! I am glad Armada is more of an social event for most people. It really is for me to. I mostly play Artemis online. So I don't to share a meal or give a high five to my crew mates on a regular basis. For those of you who do, cherish that! Not everyone has that privilege.

I go to cons to do things I cant do at home. Stuff like the MM and live missions is what I have no problem spending good money on.

Who else has things to share? Good or bad.


Adam...  I feel the same way.  The Con is a way to do things I don't get to do in my home games or other places.  I play the game a lot with people in the same room a lot and play very little online.  I like the online play but there is something big missing from the game by not having the people in the same room.  The tension is not at palpable, the humor doesn't flow as easily and as you said, you cannot celebrate person to person when things go really well, and you can't commiserate when things don't.   As a fellow actor in the MM, I found it to be a real thrill to be something that was adding (hopefully) to other players experience.  I think it was well done, despite the fact that we all did it pretty much with one or two practices on Friday evening!  I think that making the storyline part of the con is great.  It adds to the immersion instead of going off into separate rooms to play a conical battle.  

The way I see it, a pre-planned storyline, (and it need not be a murder mystery) can be done much like this last Armada, with scheduled times, and each "act" can relate to a mission being called for play for the crews to undertake (be they scripted or GM'ed).  The missions should be downloaded on the night before and then when called over the station PA the crews are called to action to play a particular mission.  Some can be co-op'ed or played singularly by separate crews.    Story line builds, stakes are raised, and at the end of the night, the final scene is acted and then the final game/battle/action is launched and we all have a hand in how the story ends or proceeds!   This is a cribs notes version of something I have in mind but not too dissimilar from what was done at AA-IV.     Thoughts?

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Thank you all for the insightful feedback!

The original purpose of the Canonical Battles was to create good quality videos of people playing Artemis, but they never worked out quite the way I had hoped. The Artemis Live Missions took a lot of technology and gave us better videos. Doug gets credit for inventing them. Shawn gets credit for creating and GMing the misadventures of Crazy Eddy.

The Murder Mystery replaced the LARP and tabletop gaming that we had at previous Armadas, mostly because the LARP and tabletop gaming were too free-form and didn't have predictable end times. The original purpose of the LARP was to present good quality canonical costumes at Armada. This year's Murder Mystery was done with somewhat minimalist costumes. Phil gets credit for writing the script and portraying the warmonger Spartag Ragnarok. Paul wrote the Friday night fight that introduced the whole sweeping epic adventure. I wrote the Saturday night battle in which crews got to take on massive enemy fleets and The Inquisitor. Katie provided the public address voice that gave us all chills when the enemy fleets attacked.

This year we had more challenge missions available throughout Armada. I must admit that I was surprised that some crews played them over and over - I had expected crews to get bored with them after two playthroughs. These 48 minute missions caused some a minor scheduling problems in that some crews started them after 11:12 PM and so were not ready for the ballroom to close at midnight. If we have challenge missions in the future they will probably be more numerous (perhaps 8-10 challenges) but shorter duration (perhaps 15-20 minutes).

I welcome your comments and opinions on these thoughts.

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That guy who played Crazy Eddy was hilarious. Hats off to him. Here in Fort Wayne, we have a car dealer named Fred Grote. He always doing silly stuff and yelling in his commercials. Eddy reminds me of Fred. I am sure he has his commercials on Youtube.
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Crazy Eddy was played by Zach. I hope you see him again at future Armadas and in future missions.
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I've been asked and have agreed to put together something for Armada V. It won't necessarily be a murder mystery per se, but that format turned out to be a really good way to get viewer participation. We had something like 40 people turn in ballots trying to guess who the murderer was, which for a con that had 100 guests was fantastic. I participated in the LARP from Armada 3 &4 and loved it, but it did not get as many people invested in it as the MM. But whatever we wind up doing, it's a safe bet that its going to play off of whatever happens on the Friday missions and lead in to whatever is cooked up for the Saturday night fleet battle. Paul and Mike did an awful lot of work to tailor the missions to the murder mystery, some of which I wasn't even aware of. The Inquisitor, for instance. I was as surprised as everyone else to see that monstrosity pop up.
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I've been asked and have agreed to put together something for Armada V. It won't necessarily be a murder mystery per se, but that format turned out to be a really good way to get viewer participation. We had something like 40 people turn in ballots trying to guess who the murderer was, which for a con that had 100 guests was fantastic. I participated in the LARP from Armada 3 &4 and loved it, but it did not get as many people invested in it as the MM. But whatever we wind up doing, it's a safe bet that its going to play off of whatever happens on the Friday missions and lead in to whatever is cooked up for the Saturday night fleet battle. Paul and Mike did an awful lot of work to tailor the missions to the murder mystery, some of which I wasn't even aware of. The Inquisitor, for instance. I was as surprised as everyone else to see that monstrosity pop up.


I for one will do my best to be in attendance for AA5.   I would also be willing to be apart of whatever you do.

looking forward to it!

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This year we had more challenge missions available throughout Armada. I must admit that I was surprised that some crews played them over and over - I had expected crews to get bored with them after two playthroughs. These 48 minute missions caused some a minor scheduling problems in that some crews started them after 11:12 PM and so were not ready for the ballroom to close at midnight. If we have challenge missions in the future they will probably be more numerous (perhaps 8-10 challenges) but shorter duration (perhaps 15-20 minutes).


The crews of the two ships I brought with me this year are predominately LARPers and were looking forward to the LARP. The ones that were able to take part in it last year as NPCs had an absolute blast and it was the highlight of the con for them; so it was pretty disappointing to them that it was cancelled (but we have already discussed that, so no news there). We did look into running one ourselves, but with the logistics of just getting 12 people and gear for Artemis up to Cleveland it just wasn't feasible.

That being said we did think that the play was really awesome! We didn't have too much invested in the "Murder Mystery" portion of it, but we all thought that it was a great way to give the final battle a meaningful story and we enjoyed watching it unfold. While the Mystery aspect didn't grab many of us, I know that other people at the con did enjoy that and it was a neat way to add an aspect of the play that the audience could engage with. The actors in the play also did an absolutely fantastic job of portraying the emotions of the characters and drawing the audience in, so well done!

As far as the challenge missions go; We are a competitive group. Read that as we spend a lot of time trying to get better at the game and we enjoy the opportunity to see how good we are. Unsurprisingly, we enjoy taking part in the challenge missions and having some friendly competition with the other ships. We greatly enjoyed the challenge missions from Armada II and Armada III. The big difference between those years and this year however is that there was a clear and concise way to measure how well we did. in Armada II it was a straight head to head competition; The ship lasting the longest was the winner. In Armada III there was a clear and concise point total to compare. This years Armada there wasn't. There were 3 missions that you could play at any difficulty meaning that in effect there were actually 30 missions (33 if you count Lvl 11), each play through taking an hour. We thought there would be a judging or something, but not so much. So even only playing a few of them you ended up with a huge sink of time with a result that was only comparable to another ship if they played the exact ship/lvl you did (I know at least one ship did beat our score by a good margin). At the end of it it hardly seemed worth it.

I would like for the challenge missions to continue as they are often a high point of the con for us. I dont know how I feel about having 8-10 really short missions. It may be good, I would certainly try it, though would they be scored individually? As a full series? I would honestly just like 1-3 missions that are the same for everyone that had something quantifiable that we could compare.

That being said, the challenge mission itself was really fun. I enjoyed saving the whales, I liked going after the whaling ships, I liked that we could spawn new enemies by collecting anomalies and all in all it was an A+ mission. If there was just one version of it and one difficulty level it would have been perfect. There were just too many options to effectively compare ability between ships.

I also really enjoyed the green screened ships. It was a minimal time requirement, we got a fun video out of it, and we all had a good laugh with Crazy Eddies hi jinks.

At the end of the weekend I still wished I had more time with these crazy people.

 


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Adam, thanks for starting this discussion.


Regarding the Murder Mystery -- I thought it was extremely well executed and a perfect lead-in to the big battle. The conclusion of the murder drama and the PA sending us all to our ships to fight the big battle was pitch-perfect and made for a memorable evening. It was a very skillful way to draw everyone into the story. Also, I loved your part in the performance -- even the movement of the knit tentacles punctuated each bellicose line! So much fun!



I realize it's been four months since Armada 4, but Adam and Dean, for real, both of you guys nailed it. I've finally gotten around to looking at some of the footage from the MM, and it would not have succeeded without you. Skaro Rabekian is, unfortunately, dead, but the former Torgoth Ambassador Raklaw is very much alive, and we may not have seen the last of him...
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So where can we see this footage?
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