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Randal

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Hi everyone,

   It's been about three months I guess since I've last written. I wanted to give you an update and rather than append to the topic I figured starting a new one would be best.

   Two things: I have (sort of, see second thing) the Arvonian grammar pages done. Second thing: My laptop's in the shop and has been for three weeks! I somehow, when plugging it into my desk power strip, accidentally either put my knee on it, rolled the chair on it... I don't know but somehow yanked the power supply hard enough that it broke the plastic and I guess the connection on the motherboard. I was hoping to have that up long ago.

   I finally played Artemis again after over four months on Saturday. Four games which was way too much for me. I enjoyed it but after three hours of playing I ended up sleeping the rest of the day, through the night, and into mid-morning. Fatigue is still an issue but it was great playing again. [smile]

   Cancer wise, I don't know yet. The last report is that the growth has halted. It hasn't shrunk but it hasn't grown either. Symptom wise, it's about the same. I really miss all this, the quality of life and all.

   So everything is progressing, albeit slowly. And having my computer shipped to the other side of the country (California) for a repair when the thing is under warranty sucks lemons. The disk drive is okay. I was able to use the battery briefly but not long enough to get a complete backup.

   What I can say about the language is that not only are there affixes but there are rules as to which vowels to use and when. I made it a soft spoken language.

   I know I still have Skaaran and Torgoth to do so I'll probably to Torgoth next. Skaaran I figure communicates with other races a lot and won't use their native language much. Still, I need to give them one.

   And with that, I'm going to read a bit and then take another feeding. I haven't forgotten you! [smile]

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Glad to hear from you, and I'm glad to hear you're holding your own, even if you're not making progress yet. Don't wear yourself out, but if you're going to wear yourself out, at least it should be something as fun as Artemis! [biggrin]

I need to make sure the race pages I added to the wiki point to your language pages. Your work on the languages has definitely contributed to the knowledge about the alien races, although most of what I posted came from either Mike, Gryphon, or Arrew.

Anyway, good luck and good wishes.
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Good luck with your health. I know from personal experience the drain it can have. Sometimes focusing on fun is the best medicine and distraction for what you suffer from.

Anyway, looking forward to your work and seeing it, wishing all the best in a speedy recovery.


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It's great to hear from you, Randal! You work is wonderful and your friends appreciate your creativity.
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It's been almost a year since I've visited and longer since I've played. I wanted to explain things but a legal suit I started (and won today) kept me from doing so. I cannot talk about it but one of the things involved my health and I couldn't let others know who were against me. They knew I played Artemis and I figured they would monitor the forum so the less I spoke the better.

Health wise, I've gotten sicker. I've been on three different chemo treatments since I've last written and this one does not seem to be working either. My oncologist says I've run out of options and a second opinion from another doctor says there are more so I don't know really.

Some things I want to do is go over the languages, add some new vocabulary maybe and then start on another one. I hope to be able to continue this. No pressure, I have to do this as I feel up to it. However, I've been doing some linguistics research and I figure I can get started on the Torgoth here shortly.

I'm sorry I could not participate in April's shindig but as it stands anyway I don't get out much except to clinics and hospitals and every-so-often the emergency room.

Cheers,

Randal

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It's great to hear from you again, and don't feel bad that your couldn't post. Sometimes when you have legal troubles (and health troubles) you just have to follow orders and put up with it. 

As others have said, focus on the fun, don't push yourself, and we're all hoping things turn around for you.
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Thanks Ryleyra,

So far I have about twenty words to the Torgothian language and some unusual sounds that speakers will have to get used to. I don't imagine too many playing as a Torgoth so I'm thinking this would be more for a recorded part of a communications that is intercepted and then of course translated by either the communications officer (who would have the English translation on the screen) or by a universal translator (aka Star Trek cheat device). It has clicks in the back of the throat, a sound made by pushing your tongue against your teeth and blowing out the sides of your tongue, and some regular sounds. There are something like thirteen consonants and four vowels and a word already that has no vowels in it but somehow works with a click at the end. It can be spoken.

I imagine what a Torgoth looks like and think of how it's speech might be, try a made up word and if it's pronounceable (no matter how bizarre) it becomes a word.

I have no idea how the font is going to look. I'd like to make it where each syllable has one but to type that out might be a big hunt and peck exercise and I don't want to burden the players with something and make it a chore. I want everyone to have fun with the language so I'll make it strange, humanly pronounceable, and easy enough to write.

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I'm up to thirty or more words now on Torgoth and have revised some of the phonology to keep it alien enough and yet make it easier for humans to speak. I've also started a simple grammar page for it. That will change as I get heavily involved with that aspect.

Something I'm thinking about is a Swadesh (sp?) list where there is a grid of the Terran Standard (English) and the others. It could help me fill in some areas that I've missed. But it would take a lot of time to set up, typing in around a thousand words.

I'm debating with myself as I continue creating the dictionary.

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Hi Randal, it's great to see you back here again! I am glad that the forces that kept you away have been resolved.

We missed you at Armada. Your work is particularly handy there.

Considering the events that transpired at Armada IV, it's likely that the Torgoth will figure significantly at Armada V. We would love to have some Torgoth language to sprinkle into the next set of adventures!

Wishing you the best.

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You'll have it. I've got my tools up now and working on it. 😉

I miss the Armada but it is highly unlikely I will ever be at one again. My health is deteriorating and there is nothing more they can do but try to manage it. Still, I plan to be around for a while. I'm stubborn that way. 😉

I'm up to, well I don't know how many words. The dictionary software doesn't have a counter. It's unusual in that it has >clicks< and the letter 'r' cannot stand alone but is always preceded by another consonant. There is also one that I keep debating about only because it sounds like something from Klingon although it wasn't my intention. I think there are natural languages that use that sound as well. I just don't want to rip off someone else's work. I'm trying to make it alien sounding as much as possible and yet still be able to be spoken. That's not an easy job but I think the phonology is already pretty much established.

One of the things I find myself doing is adding a sound and then taking it away only because I'm purposely limiting it based on what I think they would sound like. I'm trying to stay within the rules I've set for myself.

The word order is going to be object-subject-verb. I'm also limiting the affixes somewhat which means having to create a lot more words. I'm also tossing about the idea of compound words but it's a little early. If it gets confusing it won't be as fun.

I'm studying other examples from really far out there conlangs, some of which are not really able to be spoken (one assumes two mouths on one being for instance) but still I might get some ideas on grammar that have not crossed my mind before.

Edit: A sample of what it sounds like. I don't have a font yet for it.

We need beer!
kranxa da vron
KRAAN-thaa DAA VRAHN
Beer we need!

That engineer is a rookie.
ekke nulekol bex tranvo
EHK-keh NUH-leh-kahl BEHTH TRAAN-vah
Pink engineer that is.

- Note that "pink" is not only a color it is also slang for rookie, newbie.

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Thanks, Randal!

For what it's worth, events at Armada IV have made it canon that Torgoths speaking English sound like they have a cheesy Boris Badinoff accent. Two separate actors did this instinctively without planning ahead of time.

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Ah, okay. So a fake Russian accent. I'll revise the phonology and probably the wording. Maybe I should base the language on some kind of eastern European type.

I'll come up with something I'm sure.

Edit: An update (11-Jun-2018) - I got sick a few days ago and have felt run down to the point where I hardly turn on the computer.
Rather than scrapping the original Torgoth language I'm going to save it for the Skaaran. I had started over creating a new Torgoth language so you can ignore the stuff I wrote earlier about it.

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