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Mike - that's a fair point, I'd probably design something from the ground up pretty differently.  The consoles work well on a table, though.

notsabbat - my design was used as part of the set for Project Draco, although we haven't actually done anything with the footage in the last year and a half or so ( http://artemis.forumchitchat.com/post/project-draco-6454688 - we're all busy [tongue] ).  More specifically, I designed the pylons the pre-existing consoles rested in (as Mike mentioned).  They're designed to fold up for transport and storage and everything connects with 1/4" bolts and nuts.  I ended up needing to use tensioning cables on the inside to provide rigidity, but I think they worked out pretty well.  If anyone's interested, I can probably dig out my design sketches.

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Ah, yes, I know the project draco consoles. I would be interested in seeing how you made them fold up. I had actually looked at using tension cables as well. Will you be at Armada? Always good to talk shop.
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This is a wonderfully attractive bridge design. I would love to see it someday.


Thnk you! I am proud of it. I assume you will be at Armada; the plan is to bring it along with me, so you will get a chance to see it.

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Sure thing! I'll be at Armada - I'm co-hosting the DIY DMX panel and workshop.

In brief, the pylons were triangular with a cutout for the consoles themselves. I'm on my phone, but I'll dig up some of the CAD I did for them.

The pylons folded at the back corner with a piano hinge and the front panel attached with bolts and barrel nuts. The edges were beveled as appropriate, then everything was held to a base platform with two tensioning wires (I used small turnbuckles to loosen and tighten for disassembly and assembly).

Let me find those designs, it may make more sense [tongue]

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Perhaps we could set up MarkBell's Draco console pylons with Thom's Stage II rigs at Artemis Armada. They would look good in the bridge for Canonical Battles and Roleplay missions.

The only issue I can foresee with that bridge and notsabbat's bridge is the possibility that the hotel could consider them a fire hazard.

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That'd be great!  I think as long as there's sufficient clearance around each station for people to walk, then it shouldn't be a big fire hazard.  Wooden props and stands shouldn't be considered a particular fire hazard unto themselves - it's not unlike chairs and tables, you just need room to walk past in an emergency.
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Also, here are a few images of the Draco stations as designed.

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Here's a 3/4 view of the station.  We ended up opting for raising the platform and using 2x4's for stiffening.  This also allowed us to run cabling down the center of the pylon and under the platform.  The chair is a placeholder.  The pylon here is about how the final pylon ended up.

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Here's how the existing computer stations slotted into the pylon.  The back plate is where the tension wires were attached.


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Mike; Im hoping they dont, it would really hamper the enjoyment of the weekend for me, but I think it would also be a big hindrance to the future of Armada. If this is successful, which so far it seems like it will be, I see people with custom consoles and bridges to become a big part of it.
Taking it to the next level with sets and DMX lighting was a huge appeal to me and seeing all the work people had done was a big inspiration. Personally, I know a good number of people locally that don't really care much about the game itself, but would love to play on the kind of immersive bridge the game allows. I would love to come to Armada II or III and see a bunch of elaborate builds to get ideas from and hopefully play on; It would also be a good testbed for convention builds. Some people may show up exclusively to see all the flashing lights and cool sets. So, yea. If the hotel doesn't want that kind of stuff around, it may be incompatible with the Armada experience.

MarkBell; so, were these made to incorporate existing pre-made consoles? If so I can understand how they would be top heavy. Would love to take a closer look come Armada, especially in how you used tension lines.



also want to put up a couple more in progress shots of my consoles, not a lot to put up, but something.
The Engineering console after having the screw holes,  little gaps and imperfections hit with wood putty and then sanded. Will start putting on primer and paint tonight.

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In proccess picture of the MDF Boards being laid out. This shows the pedestal for a console and the arm rests for the captain's chair.
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Mike; Im hoping they dont, it would really hamper the enjoyment of the weekend for me, but I think it would also be a big hindrance to the future of Armada. If this is successful, which so far it seems like it will be, I see people with custom consoles and bridges to become a big part of it. 


I agree with you, but I wasn't making a comment about this particular hotel; I was referring to ALL conventions everywhere. The trepidation comes from Brian's experience at Gencon, where they were picky about all construction being made from fireproof materials. It is possible that this only counts for walls, and it is likely that Indiana and Ohio have different laws.

By the way your bridge looks phenomenal. I can't wait to see it!

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Ah, yeah Gencon can be pretty big sticklers or kinda wierd things, so that makes sense. Hopefully it won't be an issue, cause I really want to see more bridges being built.


Thank you. I'm looking forward to it being done [biggrin]

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Yep - the consoles were ones that Thom already had. I'd be happy to show you the tensioning wires - it's not too hard to set up.

Looking good! What are you planning on painting them with?

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Mark; I would like that a lot. Love seeing how others solve problems. Never know when it will come in handy. Also looking forward to seeing Davisn465's bridge set up.

Probably just going ro go with a fairly generic gunmetal grey. The engineering console will be the guinea big as far as color schemes. Wouldnt mind something with some more color, but I cant think of anything that wouldn't look dumb.If you have any ideas Ill be happy to hear them. Will probably start with the first test painting in the next day or two

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For sure! I dunno when we're going to get the consoles set up, but because the consoles just drop in, it'll be easy to move them to show you the tension wires.

Depends on what you're going for - gunmetal gray might be pretty dark. A ghost gray or maybe a mid gray would fit into most spaces. You might consider spending some time in a paint or hardware store going through paint chips - there might be one that grabs at you. Are you planning any physical decorations, like panels or rivets or anything? Or maybe painted details like caution stripes or lettering? The TNG consoles were a nice neutral beige with no real decorations aides from the panels themselves.

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I agree with you, but I wasn't making a comment about this particular hotel; I was referring to ALL conventions everywhere. The trepidation comes from Brian's experience at Gencon, where they were picky about all construction being made from fireproof materials. It is possible that this only counts for walls, and it is likely that Indiana and Ohio have different laws.!


Is there a chance that the hotel for Artemis Armada may turn some of us away if this is the case? My stations are mainly plywood...which is obviously not fireproof. The electronics are reasonably well insulated so there aren't any exposed wires, but it's very much an amateur creation...
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Davisn; I do kind of wonder what kind of guidelines they would use....hopefully everything will go smoothly.



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Are you planning any physical decorations, like panels or rivets or anything? Or maybe painted details like caution stripes or lettering? The TNG consoles were a nice neutral beige with no real decorations aides from the panels themselves.


Not really. Other than some sort of top cover to tidy up the tops of the consoles, I'm going for a smooth look. I may play with embelishments after Armada, but its going to be a whole lot of done enough for now.

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