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Tolotos

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Hey there alltogether!

Since my Last Projekt is done, (Live Size Space Marine Armor to wear) I'm ready to make the next Big Projekt.

My own Bridge!

Since I got some Room in the Attic I want to make this more or less 4m x 8m big room into a nice Bridge.

I already have a slight Plan how I want to have it in the end but from my point of view it's still a long way.

Thats how it is in the Moment:

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The Computer with the two Screens will probably be moved to the 2xFighter/GM table.
All other Tables get a Touchscreen Monitor 19,5" or 23"... not sure if a bigger Screen is a good Idea. And so on...

What get's me to the Point of my entering into this awesome Forum. I want to benefit of all the Wisdom you all have!

So if you see any Problems or if you have any suggestions, Bring them on!

My Plans right now:

- Led Band 10m with Color Controller, so we can Change the Colors on Demand. (Shields Up, Red alert, Jump/Warp travle, Fighters get ready)
- 5x Touchscreens Asus VT207N(19,5") or Acer T232HLAbmjjz(23")
- 5x Mini Computer
- 1x Beamer or Big Monitor (infront of the Window)

Questions I hope you all can help me with:

1. I want to use 1 Big Computer as a Server for Mainscreen and GM/Fighter Console. Should I get one more Mini Computer to use it for GM/Fighter or is there any Problem if I let the Big Machine do both?
2. Which Touchscreen would you prefer?
3. Is there anyone who knows a Mini Computer which can Run the Clients fluently with a Touchscreen Monitor?
3.1 Anyone knows the Minmal requirement so I can figure out if and which Mini Computer I can use for Clients? I'm open for suggestions as mentioned above [wink]

Sry for my bad english! And Thanks for any Help!

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I don't know the named touchscreens, but I use "Hanns G HT231" and the according HannSpree Micro PC. Both work fine with Artemis, I bought them on Amazon.de

We could massage if you like to have more infos, so we can write in german. [wink]

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Originally Posted by Tolotos

Questions I hope you all can help me with:

1. I want to use 1 Big Computer as a Server for Mainscreen and GM/Fighter Console. Should I get one more Mini Computer to use it for GM/Fighter or is there any Problem if I let the Big Machine do both?
2. Which Touchscreen would you prefer?
3. Is there anyone who knows a Mini Computer which can Run the Clients fluently with a Touchscreen Monitor?
3.1 Anyone knows the Minmal requirement so I can figure out if and which Mini Computer I can use for Clients? I'm open for suggestions as mentioned above [wink]

Sry for my bad english! And Thanks for any Help!



Hi Tolotos!

1. One computer can run the mainscreen and a GM/Fighter console or any other console.
2. I have used an older version of the Acer T232HLAbmjjz(23") for over a year and it has been great. I also really like Asus products and I think that would be a good choice as well.
3.the kangaroo mini PC is about the size of an external harddrive and will run a touchscreen and Artemis.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883722001
I dont know of a specific premade PC that works for Artemis, but If you want to build your own PC, a mini-ITX motherboard with a GPU and 4GB of ram works well. I use an MSI E350IA-E45 motherboard for a few of my consoles.
3.1. The FAQ says: "DirectX 9 and shader model 2.0.  This means practically any computer that runs Windows 98 or newer.  If you’re worried that your computer can’t play Artemis, just download the free demo from the download page on this website.  If the demo works for you, the full game should too."

Ive run Artemis on some old windows XP computers, but I find it works best on a computer  built for windows 7

 

 

 


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Thanks to the quick answers!

@Newcommerin, send you a Message [wink]

I looked the Mini-Computer up you used ("Hanns.G SNNPDI1BR8" ?) the Problem I have, it has roundabout 2 GB Ram and no ethernet-port. So the only way to connect all Computers would be by W-Lan. Since W-Lan is not a complete problemless solution I'd prefer a wired solution if you get what I mean [wink]

Why I want Lan? Because I want to use the "Wake by Lan" which is supported by some BIOS systems. How cool it would be to simply give the command to the "Main-Computer" and all Stations Start and also Artemis runs by "Starting Programm List" of Windows. Also there should be less connectiviy problems with the wired way.


@notsabbat

To 1. well yeah that a Computer with two Monitors can run both the Mainscreen/Server (since it is no "used" or "active" console) and GM/Fighter was sort of obvious. To concretize my question: Is it Smart?
Could there be any "Program" difficulties like bugs, blue screens or troubles I could run into by using 1 PC for both Sessions of the Program? Or is it even better to use the same Computer for Server and GM since the commands are provided more "directly"?

2. Thanks for your opinion! Well I think I decided more towards the Acer, since it has a wider vision Angle and a handy angle to lay it down. And yes your Info helped to decide towards this Monitor [wink]

3. same Problem as with the Mini PC of Newcommerin, no ethernet.

Of course I could use a USB to ethernet LAN adapter but it's also one more Option to bring Problems. The lesser "variants" I bring in the better it is. (That's my hope at least...)
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You can get little 3-port USB hubs with built in Ethernet.  That would solve the problem of lacking an Ethernet port, *and* give you a few more USB ports for things like keyboards, mice, joysticks, and drives.  That's how I handled it for my Lenovo compute sticks.
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You can get little 3-port USB hubs with built in Ethernet.  That would solve the problem of lacking an Ethernet port, *and* give you a few more USB ports for things like keyboards, mice, joysticks, and drives.  That's how I handled it for my Lenovo compute sticks.


Thanks for the input!

Thats right but this would require a hub and as i said i'd prefer a mini computer were I don't need to add stuff to make it work as intendet. (Less extra added parts means less stuff that could go wrong or make problems)
Also I'd probably miss the "Wake on Lan" option if there is no inbuild ethernet in the first place.

And if there is no possability with inbuild ethernet, w-lan should be faster then usb-linked-lan, I think.

I'd still like to know what Stick you are using and does Artemis runs smoothly with it?
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To 1. A good computer can run multiple clients or a server and a client at the same time.
Two monitors work fine, as soon as you managed to start the two game instances.
If you have trouble:
Try starting the game on one screen in "Fullscreen Windowed".
Then you might want to change the "main screen" in your computers display options to the other monitor.
Start the game a second time. This time the "choose resolution" dialoque of Artemis should show the resolution of the other Monitor.
Run in "Fullscreen Windoed", also.
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@Pithlit:
Thanks for the Answer, but I concretized the question a little more.

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Is it Smart?
Could there be any "Program" difficulties like bugs, blue screens or troubles I could run into by using 1 PC for both Sessions of the Program? Or is it even better to use the same Computer for Server and GM since the commands are provided more "directly"?


I have no Problem running multiple Sessions of Artemis at once but I have no clue if there could appear problems in a Game if you run the Sessions about an Hour or Two.


Btw, waiting for the Next Paycheck to Order the first Monitor and PC.
And I think I gonne switch the Position of Engineer and Comms. Or Science and Engineer.

So Comms and Scince can work together to figure out Missions and Routes, Options and Suggestions for the Captain.
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I just came up with another question!

Do I have any benefit of 10-finger-Touchscreen?
Or is a 2-finger-Touchscreen more then enough since Artemis don't support or don't even need 10-finger-Touchscreen.

Hoping some quick answers since I'm ready to order stuff. [smile]
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Artemis works best with one Artemis session per computer. This way you don't have to mess around with multiple screens (troubles might be the configuration or your mouse clicking in the wrong window...)
Artemis seems stable, the problems come from your pc desktop environment :-)
If you want to use the old WarServer program: don't run the WarServer with Artemis on the same pc. We lost too many WarServers after an hour of gameplay.

Running helm or GM and the server on the same PC might lower your network latency on the client, but on your local bridge there will be almost delay. You can set the network latency to minimum in the server setting.

With a gigabit ethernet switch network speed is no problem (it should be no problem with very lousy hardware, too).

We once run into trouble using wlan for a complete 6 pc bridge. After six hours of gameplay our wifi-router overheated.


So the smartest solution might be one pc per client, maybe a better pc for the server, and connect everything over a single ethernet switch.
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@Pithlit

YES! I'm delighted!
That's the answer I was looking for! Shittons of Detailed information [thumb]

Since I gonne wire it all the networkspeed should be no porblem. I'll ceep the latency in mind and if the Pudget is big enough a GM-Computer will be set up separated.

Do you have suggestions to the Multi-touchscreen? Is 2-Point-Multitouchscreen enough or will I have more benefit if I use a 10-Point-Multitouchscreen. (Like to build Future-safe in case Arthemis develops...)
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My experience is, that Artemis just can handle "one touch". Could be my hardware, but if i a have a finger on the screen (especially on helm I forget to "release" the impulse-speed-thingy) the second touch does nothing...

Edit: Oh and yes, engeneering is very often located in the back. He interacts with all consoles but mostly nonverbal. So he can sit in the back, listening to the orders and yells of the others for more power and deliver it without any spoken word.

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Engineered... The quiet unsung heroes of Artemis [wink]
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So after a while (half a year...) I managed to collect all the Stuff to complete the Bridge "barebone".

And that's how it lookes:

Mode: RED Alert
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Mode: NORMAL
WhatsApp Image 2017-02-02 at 23.54.17.jpeg 

Got a Crew the day after tomorrow. I'm exited how it will work out.

 

Information:
5x Mini Computer: Z83 Mini PC - Intel Atom x5-Z8300 (Win 10)
5x Touchscreen: 23" Acer T232HLAbmjjz (10 Point Touchscreen)
Beamer: RAGU RF-01
Main Computer: 3.6 GHz Quadcore + 16GB Ram (more then enough)

In the dark, the Beamer is pretty good but if you got 200 bucks more you can get one, you can use at daylight. Do yourself a favor, get a better one then me. [wink]

The combination of the Mini Computer and the Touchscreen works very good together. Plug and Play. If you let the Mini Computer collecting some dust, unplugged you will need to Reset them (Windows Reset) since they seem to "forget" how to communicate with the Touchscreen 2min after start. But after resetting I had no more problems with either of them.
The Ethernet-Lan also works wonderfull.

Sidenote:
Also managed to let run Empty Epsilon on them.

Sry for my bad english...

Any Questions?


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Ausgezeichnet!!!!!!!!!!
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