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Xantalias

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Hey Guys, Ive been secretly building a Bridge for Artemis SBS in the Attic of our house under the guise of "Clearing out Junk". Ive just about finished wiring the power sockets on a new circuit and sneaking Plasterboard through the hatch while the missus is out. Anyway the practical side of things I am good at!

Where im struggling is with the running of the server and 5 clients. I have a great PC. i7 4ghz, 32gb ram, Dual SLI GTX980, Windows 7 pro 64bit. I also have Gbit Ethernet wired through most of my house, so the physical network should be fine. I would like to run one bridge on this machine but I am not sure how!

So I Gather from other threads I would have to run separate instances of windows, one for the server and 5 for the clients. If there is a tried and tested method for this it'd be great if you could let me know. Each of my GFX cards has a HDMI and 3 DisplayPort's but how do I get each instance of Artemis to detect the correct Display and USB peripherals!!

Also the PC would be 8->10 meters, as the cable runs, from the bridge itself. Assuming each station needs a mouse and Keyboard can I run a single USB cable from the PC to the Bridge into a USB Hub then disseminate from there? If I need one cable per peripheral, aside from the Cable Management Horror show on my hands, I have a total of 13 USB ports on my PC including Front Panel so I can just about make it.

Im also unsure about how to network these, although I figure once Artemis is set up on each separate instance of windows and has its own display and peripherals, if I haven't died from stress or over exertion, it should be relatively simple.

I got a budget of about $500 for this project. I have a decent amount of spare cables, switching hubs, 17" monitors etc. ill need more mice and keyboards bt hardware wise i think im good.

I understand this will take some time and ill have to pick things up via trial and error on the way but a starting place or some source material i can work from would be great!

If im missing anything here, Please let me know as I have no previous experience doing anything like this in the past. Its gonna be a great learning project for me!

Also if u like I can post pic's and updates as I go along [smile]

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Sounds like a fun secret project! But... Let's clarify a couple things first... 

1. You can open an instance of Artemis to be the server, then open another (or multiple) instance(s) of Artemis to be a client(s). All of these windows can run in the same instance of Windows(TM). However.... 

2. No, you can't run a dozens keyboards and mice into your machine to control each of the clients. The problem here is window focus. Yes, with a nice array of graphics cards you can have a different bridge station on each monitor you have, and if you're controlling something on a single station at a time (as one person) it'll run, but trying to run them simultaneously is nearly impossible. No matter how many keyboards you attach to your machine, they'll all only send keystrokes to the ONE window that is in focus. If multiple people are moving mice, the cursor will have lots of trouble too. (Windows only recognizes one mouse cursor)

Hardwiring the network is always good, as you're doing, but the big hurdle to get over is to have separate computers for each station. Each of my machines can handle an extra display, so that I can include various data screens, or allow communications to also run a science screen.

Luckily, you can run the game client on a potato of a laptop. My bridge includes:
-my nice desktop (2012 self-built gaming rig)
-2013 macbook pro from grad school attempt
-2009 lenovo thinkpad from undergrad
-2 new hp stream laptops (11")($200/ea)
-Kindle fire borrowed from my dad [smile]
-various extra monitors, customized number pads/joysticks/midi mixers

Good luck, keep us posted, and I'm sure there are lots of us here who can offer more insight [smile]
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Hello! Welcome to the madness! Always good to hear about another bridge being built [smile]

As far as running multiple stations from the same computer...Well, you will probably have some trouble with that. You can have multiple instances of the game running on the same Machine, you can even have those instances running on different monitors, however you will still only have one set of input devices (mouse and keyboard) so you can only control one station at a time.

I know some people have tried to do that and some have made progress, but I haven't seen anything where someone has been completely. Here is a thread where someone has found some success:

http://artemis.forumchitchat.com/post/artemis-multiseat-well-it-sort-of-works-6481994?highlight=working+sort&trail=15

I also know that there some programs out there that are made to simulate multiple computers from the same PC, but I don't know of any off the top of my head. You'll have a lot of googling and research ahead of you to make a whole bridge run off of one PC, however Im sure the community at large will be interested if you find a way to pull it off.

Conversely it should be possible to purchase an old PC or buy the parts to build a PC that will run Artemis for under $100 a piece. So if your budget is around $500, you could potentially purchase enough PCs to run the other stations. Ive been built a couple of computers this way, so if you want info about that I will give you any help I can, but that is a different conversation entirely [biggrin]




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With that PC, if you can drive 6 monitors, then your answer is either:

Aster from http://www.ibik.ru/ for $200 for 6 users, or:

Or if you're currently on Windows 7, MiniFrame SoftXpand from http://www.miniframe.com/ for $234.

Of these, I own(ed) SoftXpand, but they lost me as customer when they a) never did a Windows 8 version and only this year are "soon" releasing a Windows 10 version, and b) have a Microsoft-style strictness of licensing in which the software is permanently registered and activated with one motherboard and cannot be reinstalled on another PC, ever. 

Or find a local small business disposing of Dell Latitude D6xx or E650x laptops for your consoles.

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Xantalias, if she ever gets upset - tell me and I will bring her down. [wink] A secretly build bridge is such a big thing!

I wish you every luck I can think of!

And I don't know if it is said earlier, but the bridge is thought to have six computer, one for each console (comms, helm, weapons, science & engineering) and one for the server (acting as mainscreen). In 2.3. you can add Fighters but it is not neccesary.

If you have tablets you can add them if you have the 2.1.0 (I think?) version via wifi, if you download the app (about 3$ as far as I know).

In my bridge the server has cabled-lan, all other consoles are using wifi and are working fine.


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Thnx for the help everyone. I think im gonna try and go for a separate machine for each display, i got a cheap Dell Optiplex for ~$35 off of Ebay to test it. if it works well ill get 4 more and just use my main PC as server/main viewer.
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I have used an optiplex to run artemis. It works ok. What is the model number?
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