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ryleyra

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I've been working on my mod to switch TSN for Kralien ships, and have been trying to assign maneuver and impulse ports to the game models. My testing showed that they didn't seem to be working. After working on it for quite some time, I decided to check the stock game. According to my testing, Artemis 2.2 is no longer showing "Propulsion" or "Maneuver" on the Gun Camera. Only Weapons are visible, meaning only weapons can be targeted and damaged specifically.

I decided to work my way back and discover when this bug started, and was quite surprised to find that the Gun Camera does not ever seem to have worked as advertised. In Artemis versions 1.65 through 2.0, only "Weapons" and "Propulsion" appeared on the Gun Camera. (You can see this on the wiki) Maneuver only appeared for individual ships, and when it appears, it appears to be centered on the ship. The target points "Propulsion" are actually the points marked maneuver_point in the vesselData, not impulse_point. So it is clear there has always been something wrong with the function.

As of version 2.1 of Artemis, "Propulsion" no longer shows up. "Maneuver" still shows up, mainly on Torgoth ships, and is in the center of the ship.

Pictures: On the left is a screenshot from 2.2, on the right the same Torgoth in 2.0.

GunCamera2.2.gif  GunCamera2.0.gif 

ryleyra

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[slaps forehead] Of course! I'm an idiot for not seeing it! It's no coincidence that TSN ships don't have propulsion and maneuver points and can be targeted in PvP. That's the REASON it was disabled!

Weapons points are still visible, because that's the one reference points friendly and enemy ships have in common. I suppose exhaust points could be used as "Propulsion", but since Manuever has always seemed to be broken, I guess Thom decided to just remove it until he could track down the problem.

I still don't know why maneuver only shows up for some ships, and always shows as the exact middle of the ship. But I guess once that problem is tracked down, Thom can make use of my TSN ship target points in my "Switch Sides" mod. ("Would you like to play the Bad Guys?", in the Missions forum) Those target points could also be added to the 2.0 vesselData, in case the absence of the target points crashes the server or something.
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The Manover points only show up on shipw with drone launchers and at the location the Drone launcher is specified
ryleyra

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Huh. Well, that's certainly not right.

I was thinking it was dropped with the introduction of the BioMechs, since they don't have maneuver or impulse points, but they were added in 2.0, along with PvP. So unless Thom dropped it in 2.1 because it caused problems in 2.0 maybe it is a bug. I certainly didn't see anything crash when I tested it, if a ship has no points of the proper type, the target points simply don't appear.

Why disable Propulsion points, but not Maneuver, which is pointing to the wrong thing? (Maybe because he didn't notice it was pointing to drone ports?) I can also verify it was broken as far back as 1.65, but in screenshots of 1.5 on the wiki it's working fine. It's definitely squirrelly.

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