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Mike Substelny

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The second season of Star Trek: Discovery has presented a possible future universe in which all life has been exterminated on every planet in the galaxy.

A galaxy without planets. [eek]

This kind of reminds me of Artemis.

Suppose some cataclysm has wiped out all the planets, blasting them to rubble. That would explain why Artemis has lots of asteroid belts and everyone lives on space stations.

I am not planning to do that with the Artemis canon, but it is an interesting thought experiment. What would be the consequences of a science fiction universe with no planets?

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I believe Artemis has no planets for simplicity, not as an aspect of its canon, but you DO raise an interesting thought experiment. Perhaps the planets were all mined for raw materials and there's simply none of them left. Or none in the TSN part of the galaxy. I imagine there would still be a need for collective living space that is very large, maybe in the range of a small moon or large asteroid. There would certainly also be a need for stars, although they could be enclosed in structures to ensure none of their energy is wasted.

Your post reminded me of something else. Although presumably "The Jetsons" takes place on Earth, we very rarely saw the ground. I thought at the time that it could very easily have been set in space, as long as there was some way to hold an atmosphere around the floating buildings and vehicles. The only time I ever saw it clarified is one time when there was a thunderstorm, and the landlord raised their building up above the clouds. 

It turns out that in the Jetsons, the Earth's surface is either covered in giant airports (for all those flying cars) or parks or resorts. (based on an article found here) No one ever needs to land, because the buildings are designed to be reached by air. But the surface could just as easily be a wasteland, and that could be the case in Artemis as well. Or an alt-version of Artemis with a different timeline anyway.
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I believe Artemis has no planets for simplicity, not as an aspect of its canon, but you DO raise an interesting thought experiment. Perhaps the planets were all mined for raw materials and there's simply none of them left. Or none in the TSN part of the galaxy. I imagine there would still be a need for collective living space that is very large, maybe in the range of a small moon or large asteroid. There would certainly also be a need for stars, although they could be enclosed in structures to ensure none of their energy is wasted.


I've always thought of Dyson Sphere as the opposite of space stations. But you bring up an interesting point - you could look at a Dyson Sphere as a REALLY BIG space station.


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Your post reminded me of something else. Although presumably "The Jetsons" takes place on Earth, we very rarely saw the ground. I thought at the time that it could very easily have been set in space, as long as there was some way to hold an atmosphere around the floating buildings and vehicles.


You're right, the world of The Jetsons is quite similar to a galaxy without planets. So is Waterworld. In all these examples people live in isolated, artificial communities separated by emptiness. This is a lot like the Artemis universe as we experience it.

The Artemis universe gives us civilian bases but it also gives us industrial bases and science bases. This might indicate that civilian bases are like big apartment buildings; manufacturing and research do not take place at civilian bases. This is a WHOLE LOT like the world of The Jetsons, since George Jetson lived in Skypad Apartments and worked at Spacely Sprockets. Both of these "buildings" were on enormous stilts hundreds or thousands of meters tall. It would have been impossible for George to walk to work.

One difference is that The Artemis Universe relies on public transportation of freighters, transports, and liners. You don't see many private spacecraft for individuals or families. We could depict a more Jetson-esque future in mission scripts if we had private shuttles buzzing around from station to station.

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I had thought there were no planets because Artemis is basically a battle sim and the encounters were thought to be happening in deep space, far from home.  Far from anyone's home.

There's a part of me that was hoping that in some update down the road, planets would be added.  That could include cool stuff like:

  • Going into orbit (additional helm controls...to put us in/out of various types of orbits)
  • Magnetic fields interfering with LRS and sensors (science station stuff...like doing extra scanning to detect hidden ships)
  • The possibility of torpedoes not only missing, but missing and falling to the planet, with devastating results! (tactical station stuff...like forcing a torpedo to detonate so it doesn't become a hazard)

Well...just thinking out loud.  This would be a ton of programming so I don't expect it any time soon.

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Another consequence of a universe in which a cataclysm has destroyed all planets: You won't encounter new races very often. Every life form that is still alive is on a spaceship or space station, so they had to have spaceflight before the cataclysm.

Everybody else is dead.

That means you never need an away team to make contact with a primitive people because there are no primitive people.

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Mike - maybe THAT is why the Torgoths hunt space whales!  They blame them for the planet destroying apocalypse that destroyed their {beloved} large home world!! 
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