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I'm currently in L.A. for the IndieCade Conference.  They invited me to run a bridge of Artemis at their "Night Games" event. Not so coincidentally, for this week only, Artemis is part of a Humble Bundle deal.

https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly

This is actually a VERY good deal for people who 1) don't already own Artemis, and 2) want Artemis in the form of Steam keys.  I agreed to this Humble deal to raise awareness of Artemis, and to support the IndieCade Foundation.

http://www.indiecade.com/___test/org_test/ 

So if you participate, move the sliders, and give all of your money to the IndieCade Foundation, dedicated to discovering, supporting and inspiring independent game developers from around the world.  You, the Artemis community, have already given so much to me.  Now let's pay it forward.


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Sounds like a cool cause. You got my money. 
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Is the humble bundle Artemis the current version?
Because it comes in two sets 'co-pilot' or 'captain+ 4 others' 
and its not very(at all) clear from Humble what that actually means...
It says you need 6 to play.. so whats 'co-pilot'? just you and a friend splitting tasks?
So Do I need the co-pilot and the captains pack to actually have 6 players?
Your Web store does not seem to offer the same packs, so I'm wondering if this is an old version?
but the Humble video certainly looks like the new/current version 2, so I'm confused. Help?
 
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The humble bundle pack essentially contains 2 keys for the game (4 for the larger pack). It's not meant to get a whole bridge online, moreso to get you and a friend or 2 copies to go play with. Knowing how it's Humble Bundle, they most likely have the keys distributed through Steam.

So basically, in summary, it's basically just multiple Steam keys. It would be the same as buying it on Steam for yourself gifting a couple keys to friends.

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This is wonderful news, Thom! Thanks!
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The humble bundle pack essentially contains 2 keys for the game (4 for the larger pack). It's not meant to get a whole bridge online, moreso to get you and a friend or 2 copies to go play with. Knowing how it's Humble Bundle, they most likely have the keys distributed through Steam.

So basically, in summary, it's basically just multiple Steam keys. It would be the same as buying it on Steam for yourself gifting a couple keys to friends.


Having never used Steam, this is new to me and in a foreign language.  Can you translate it please?

I picked up the captain plus four.

Will this get my group playing trying this out, or is a crippled version, that I would have to get upgraded or get more keys to get my entire crew playing?

What does it mean that I have a steam key?  Does this mean that the program shall be downloaded via this steam link, or am I simply receiving an activation key and still need to acquire the program?

Is the demo program on site here simply an unactivated version and then I can enter a key, or is it crippleware that I need to uninstall when I receive my real version of the software?

Lots of possibly silly questions, but I haven't purchased your software before.

I notice that you advertise that you can run an IOS client for artemis, is this something that they keys allow us to do, or something that has to be purchased separately from the apple store?

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I sell the game here, on this website, as a "bridge License" (giving you one downloadable copy of the Windows PC game, with the right to copy it onto every computer in your bridge).

But Steam is a very visible and popular service that sells videogames, and they started selling Artemis about a year ago.  http://store.steampowered.com/

They do NOT sell a "bridge Licence".  Instead, they sell individual copies (good for one computer), and instead of buying the game from them directly, they can sell you a "key", which you can gift to someone else, or redeem for a game copy.

Artemis is a game designed to run on multiple Windows computers, with multiple players.  You cannot play it alone; you shouldn't try.  It would just bore you.

The version of Artemis you can get from Steam (and from the Humble Bundle) is the full and up-to-date version, identical to the full version you can buy from this website (though again, steam doesn't give you a bridge license).  The current full version is 2.1.1 .

To redeem a Steam key, you will have to create an account on Steam, AND install the Steam client on every Windows PC you'll be playing Artemis on.

If you bought the Humble Weekly Bundle: IndieCade 2,  and paid enough to get the Captain Pack, then you'll receive 6 Steam keys for Artemis, which should be enough to let you download and install Artemis on 6 Windows PCs (which is the maximum number of computers for one bridge).

The free demo on this site is crippleware.  No need to uninstall it, but it shouldn't interact with the full version you get (either from here or Steam).

There ARE IOS and Android versions of the full game, available from the Apple, Google Play, and Android online stores.  Their version is 2.1.0, which WILL work with the Windows 2.1.1 version (though you may see a version mismatch message).  However, the IOS and Android versions are full games, with the ability to be servers, so you could buy 6 IOS or Android copies, and play the game entirely on phones and tablets, if you wanted.

Steam keys will not let you get the IOS or Android versions, and cannot be redeemed for the non-steam copy of the game.

I hope this clears up any confusion.  Thanks for buying my game!



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Techbear,
Thank you for the clarifications.
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I just bought the $17 version, which is certainly a great deal in terms of license keys for the Windows version.

However, given that Humble's bundles usually provide both the PC and mobile versions of games available in multi-platform, I bought it expecting I'd be able to share the extra copies with my friends who would be playing on mobile, and am disappointed to learn that's not the case. Of course, $3 per copy isn't exactly much of a budget hit, but still, it's going to be a little awkward to show up at my brother's gamefest next weekend and tell people they'll have to buy the app instead of being able to gift it to them. And now I've got all these extra license keys I won't be able to use...
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@Robotech_Master. I understand your problem. Frankly if I were you I would try to see if others can bring laptops to the gaming party so you can gift some of them. Or if you scrounge up 6 laptops give one to each and then let people rotate through playing. 
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USB bootable Linux drives, Wine >1.7.6...  The usb drives go in, the systems boot, the game is played, all shutdown, the usb drives come home.. Licenses managed, keys not 'wasted'! No licenses violated...


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Hi all!

I'm also coming from the HumbleBundle website and i'm interested in purchasing
the CoPilot(2) + Captains Pack (additional 4 = 6 licenses total) from there.

Do you know, if i can redeem all licenses on my (one) Steam Account,
or do i have to make 5 dummy accounts for my friends to play with me
at our next LAN party?
They'd then have to install the steam client and download/install their clients
(and of course uninstall after our LAN), right?

Is it possible to start multiple instances of the game on one machine
(e.g. "server" + 1client) *using the steam license*
to familiarize oneself with Artemis?

For our LANparty, jgreenes solution would of course also work
(storage devices with wine and different steam accs + Artemis installations)...

Best regards, FF
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Do you know, if i can redeem all licenses on my (one) Steam Account,
or do i have to make 5 dummy accounts for my friends to play with me
at our next LAN party?
They'd then have to install the steam client and download/install their clients
(and of course uninstall after our LAN), right?


You would need to make the dummy accounts. After making them, yes, they would need to download the steam client then the game itself.

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Is it possible to start multiple instances of the game on one machine
(e.g. "server" + 1client) *using the steam license*
to familiarize oneself with Artemis?


Yes, this is completely possible. If you open up the game through the .exe in the steam folder, this will bypass the limitation of Steam only allowing one instance to open at a time. The file path should be somewhat along the lines of C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Artemis then the file inside should be Artemis.exe (Artemis Application on windows 8). This allows you to run multiple instances at the same time quite easily, but keep in mind if the server instance itself is minimized or another instance is set to Fullscreen (Fullscreen Windowed is fine) then the server is essentially suspended until it is opened back up.

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hey "unregistered", welcome to an awesome game. Maybe register in the forum? it's easier if posts can be put to a name. pupbrad answered most of your questions already.

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Hi all! I'm also coming from the HumbleBundle website and i'm interested in purchasing the CoPilot(2) + Captains Pack (additional 4 = 6 licenses total) from there. Do you know, if i can redeem all licenses on my (one) Steam Account, or do i have to make 5 dummy accounts for my friends to play with me at our next LAN party? They'd then have to install the steam client and download/install their clients (and of course uninstall after our LAN), right? Is it possible to start multiple instances of the game on one machine (e.g. "server" + 1client) *using the steam license* to familiarize oneself with Artemis? For our LANparty, jgreenes solution would of course also work (storage devices with wine and different steam accs + Artemis installations)... Best regards, FF

I think you can't redeem more than one license per steam account. After all, you either have the game or you don't. But the captains pack is for exactly gifting the game to 5 friends, they will then own the game themselves and can play either with you or other people that own the game. I'd suggest to gift the licenses to your friends beforehand, so they can donwload it and experiment a bit like you. (basically humblebundle "gives" you 6 steam keys, important to know: only redeem one and for the other 5 click on the gift button) If you have LANs often and the players differ every time, the solution with dummy accounts might be best. Or just get one of your friends to grab another humblebundle (getting some other games too) and maybe you even get two full crews together for a session (you can play with up to 8 ships in co-op or PVP; fully manned at 6 crew that's 48 players)

As pupbrad mentioned, you can test the game on just one computer but only if you start it from the explorer NOT steam (steam tells you you can only have one instance running)

Another good reason for "dummy" accounts and USB sticks is that you can control which mods are installed or that all mission files you want to play are in the correct folder. You should tell people at your games, if they like Artemis, they can get a copy at steam themselves (if you no longer have keys to gift) for under $10 (is it $7 or $8? it's €6 in Europe) or, as mentioned earlier, quickly grab another bundle. The HumbleBundle at the moment costs less with two full bridges and some other games than the normal DRM bridge license. The difference between the steam and the DRM version is only, that the DRM allows the holder of this $40 bridge-license to play with whichever 6 players he happens to play that day whereas the steam version is personalized. If you have a lot of different players all the time, ask them to give you a few bucks and invest in the bridge license.

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Thanks pupbrad and Schokomuffin for your answers!

After what i've learned about steam (and reading techbears statement, that these
wouldn't be "bridge licenses"), i was almost sure, that i'd have to distribute
the licenses onto different steam accounts, but, well, "you never know until you ask" ^^

Pupbrad, your answer only "suggests", that you can circumvent some steam restrictions that way (btw, i'm no friend of steam, and the client is cut from connections to the net whenever i don't need updates/downloads; but since HumbleBundle, my steam library skyrockets... *sigh*). Good to know, that it's technically possible.

What i'm interested in though, is, if it's allowed to do so (i have also practiced the workaround of having 2 installs of a game on one machine using two license keys more than once, so ... ^^), or whether the Artemis-Installation prevents this in any way.

Especially with the distinction between the "bridge license" and "personalized" licenses.

In the youtube video it is said, that one machine acts as the server and the other machines connect with their station(s) to it, hence my question.

Maybe techbear can answer that, or if it's a common practice that one machine acts simultaniously as the server, someone with a steam-license can confirm, that it works for them also.

@Schokomuffin,
i'm like the "canary in the mine" for my friends, sent out to gather info on "how this works"... [smile]
I already have another friend convinced to buy at least the 2license pack from HumbleBundle and as we are always about 6-10ppl on our LANs, one full bridge crew will
be present no matter what (maybe even 2 crews with people manning 2 stations).
But as the people attending will change quite a bit through different LANparties, "gifting" isn't the option here.
You wrote: [...you can control which mods are installed or that all mission files...]
Well, mods... and mission files... custom missions?... yes, *nice*!
ok, you can be sure, as soon as i can engage myself a bit more into this matter (RL timeconstraints, oh well), i will register to the forum and participate!

Prepare to have at least one more german Artemis crew reinforcing your ranks! [smile]

Regards, FF
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